Comments on: NTSB releases preliminary statement on Monorail Accident http://thedisneyblog.com/2009/07/08/ntsb-releases-preliminary-statement-on-monorail-accident/ Disney News and Information -- by fans, for fans Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:16:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Dick Camnitz http://thedisneyblog.com/2009/07/08/ntsb-releases-preliminary-statement-on-monorail-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-16559 Dick Camnitz Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:22:32 +0000 http://thedisneyblog.com/?p=7184#comment-16559 You say "After the crash, the monorails were moved into the station to facilitate the people exiting." You make it sound so matter of fact that the train that hit the other train pulled the disabled train into the station so they could get to the driver and passengers....Who would make the decision to do that?... a wrong decision obviously. No rescue organization in America would move any vehicle when someone is trapped inside most especially when you don't know exactly where they are. I am not saying it happened in this case but the victim could still be alive and the moving of the wreakage could injure or kill them. It is obvious by the bystanders video taken after the train was moved back into the station that nobody had checked on the driver even then other than yell through the wreakage. I'm sure that if the Lake Buena Vista Fire and Rescue had been there, they would have immediately set up ladders and worked right at the scene of the accident. I am anxious for the government to release the radio tapes and the timeline of the events. These people had not been properly trained in what to do in case of an accident or they disregarded training. Disney had no layering of safety. The excuse that someone called in sick and the boss thought he could run the operation from a restaurant is amazing....so sad for that kid just trying to do a good job. We'll see what the story is but those are my thoughts. After all this is just a discussion. You say “After the crash, the monorails were moved into the station to facilitate the people exiting.” You make it sound so matter of fact that the train that hit the other train pulled the disabled train into the station so they could get to the driver and passengers….Who would make the decision to do that?… a wrong decision obviously. No rescue organization in America would move any vehicle when someone is trapped inside most especially when you don’t know exactly where they are. I am not saying it happened in this case but the victim could still be alive and the moving of the wreakage could injure or kill them. It is obvious by the bystanders video taken after the train was moved back into the station that nobody had checked on the driver even then other than yell through the wreakage. I’m sure that if the Lake Buena Vista Fire and Rescue had been there, they would have immediately set up ladders and worked right at the scene of the accident. I am anxious for the government to release the radio tapes and the timeline of the events. These people had not been properly trained in what to do in case of an accident or they disregarded training. Disney had no layering of safety. The excuse that someone called in sick and the boss thought he could run the operation from a restaurant is amazing….so sad for that kid just trying to do a good job. We’ll see what the story is but those are my thoughts. After all this is just a discussion.

]]> By: Zeb http://thedisneyblog.com/2009/07/08/ntsb-releases-preliminary-statement-on-monorail-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-16193 Zeb Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:40:03 +0000 http://thedisneyblog.com/?p=7184#comment-16193 Why all the guessing, there were six passengers to say exactly where the train was when they collided and there must be more cameras and surveillance at WDW than anywhere else in the world. Why all the guessing, there were six passengers to say exactly where the train was when they collided and there must be more cameras and surveillance at WDW than anywhere else in the world.

]]> By: John Frost http://thedisneyblog.com/2009/07/08/ntsb-releases-preliminary-statement-on-monorail-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-16128 John Frost Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:39:34 +0000 http://thedisneyblog.com/?p=7184#comment-16128 From the NTSB preliminary report it is known that purple was returning from EPCOT. Not departing. It's a daily occurrence that a family parked at MK accidentally boards the EPCOT line after having ridden the express line thinking they have one more monorail to the parking lot. My guess is that's what happened that night. It's also possible they had a very late dinner at EPCOT or a first aid visit that kept them in the park longer than normal. Whatever the case, I don't think it's material to the cause of the accident. Purple was holding at the time of the accident. At the point where Purple was stopped he wouldn't immediately be visible in the side view mirrors of Pink since the strobe light would have been cut off by the station. Cause and suggested remedies will all be forth coming in due time. Other than getting the timeline down or general procedural questions, I think it's useless to speculate as to who is at fault for the exact cause. From the NTSB preliminary report it is known that purple was returning from EPCOT. Not departing. It’s a daily occurrence that a family parked at MK accidentally boards the EPCOT line after having ridden the express line thinking they have one more monorail to the parking lot. My guess is that’s what happened that night. It’s also possible they had a very late dinner at EPCOT or a first aid visit that kept them in the park longer than normal. Whatever the case, I don’t think it’s material to the cause of the accident. Purple was holding at the time of the accident. At the point where Purple was stopped he wouldn’t immediately be visible in the side view mirrors of Pink since the strobe light would have been cut off by the station.

Cause and suggested remedies will all be forth coming in due time. Other than getting the timeline down or general procedural questions, I think it’s useless to speculate as to who is at fault for the exact cause.

]]> By: Birdie http://thedisneyblog.com/2009/07/08/ntsb-releases-preliminary-statement-on-monorail-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-16126 Birdie Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:07:31 +0000 http://thedisneyblog.com/?p=7184#comment-16126 It doesn't make sense that guests would be coming FROM Epcot 4 hours after it closed. What makes sense is that the guests had been in the Magic Kingdom and needed transportation TO Epcot where their car was parked. It this scenerio the Purple was leaving the station as Pink was unknowingly backing toward the station. The track is a curve. By the time Purple saw Pink he only had time to stop. After the crash, the monorails were moved into the station to facilitate the people exiting. It doesn’t make sense that guests would be coming FROM Epcot 4 hours after it closed. What makes sense is that the guests had been in the Magic Kingdom and needed transportation TO Epcot where their car was parked. It this scenerio the Purple was leaving the station as Pink was unknowingly backing toward the station. The track is a curve. By the time Purple saw Pink he only had time to stop. After the crash, the monorails were moved into the station to facilitate the people exiting.

]]> By: Dick Camnitz http://thedisneyblog.com/2009/07/08/ntsb-releases-preliminary-statement-on-monorail-accident/comment-page-1/#comment-16081 Dick Camnitz Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:09:32 +0000 http://thedisneyblog.com/?p=7184#comment-16081 Why, if the collision occured outside the station was the video which has been said to have been taken directly after the accident shot inside the station? Would the driver who backed into the other monorail have moved again when it should have been obvious he had a serious incident? Or had he possibly been warned before the crash that it was going to happen and had thrown the monorail back into forward dragging the other one back with it almost immediately? The full timeline is not clear. And at what point should it have been obvious to the backing driver that he was still on the track he had previously been coming from. Would he not notice as he passed the switch what was happening or was he (in the front of the vehicle) not past the switch yet? I cannot believe that there is no person watching video of switching vehicles or persons who must have a visual of this activity. My son works at Universal and it sounds like they have more eyes on the smaller Dr Seuss train watching for safety issues than Disney has on the monorail operation. Why, if the collision occured outside the station was the video which has been said to have been taken directly after the accident shot inside the station? Would the driver who backed into the other monorail have moved again when it should have been obvious he had a serious incident? Or had he possibly been warned before the crash that it was going to happen and had thrown the monorail back into forward dragging the other one back with it almost immediately? The full timeline is not clear. And at what point should it have been obvious to the backing driver that he was still on the track he had previously been coming from. Would he not notice as he passed the switch what was happening or was he (in the front of the vehicle) not past the switch yet? I cannot believe that there is no person watching video of switching vehicles or persons who must have a visual of this activity. My son works at Universal and it sounds like they have more eyes on the smaller Dr Seuss train watching for safety issues than Disney has on the monorail operation.

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